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Titles: Hereditary Princess (iryt-p`t), Great one of the hetes-sceptre (wrt-hetes),Great one of the harem of Amen (wrt-khnrt-n-imnw), King’s Mother (mwt-niswt) or Mother of the King of S&N Egypt, Great King’s Wife, his beloved (hmt-niswt-wrt meryt.f), Mistress of Upper and Lower Egypt (hnwt-Shm’w -mhw), The God's Wife (hmt-ntr), Queen Mother who bore the Strong Bull
Remark: Without explicit inscriptions it is very hard to reconstruct what the life of a Queen like (Mut-)Tuya would have been like. We have no inscriptions showing her in her youth, no description of her marriage to Sety, no birth announcements of her kids, etc. All we can do is look at the circumstantial evidence and create a plausible scenario. In what is written below one of the main assumptions is that Ramesses was old enough to marry and have children during the reign of Sety I. This seems like a reasonable assumption given the fact that Amenhirwenemef and Khaemwaset were present in Nubia as little boys at the tribute scene in Wadi es Sebua. With the assumption that Ramesses was ca 16 in year 8 or 10 of Sety's reign, his birth would have ocurred during ca year 8 of Horemheb, assuming Horemheb reigned for 15 years.
If Tuya and Sety had a child in ca. year 8 of Horemheb, then she must have been at least in her late teens. Some girls were married at a very young age, but we will assume ca 16-18 years for marriage. It is possible that Tia, the daughter of Sety and Tuya was older than her brother. These assumptions would then put Tuya's own birth in ca year 5 of Tutankhamen.
Pharaoh/date - Event - Tuya's age
Year 5 Tutankhamen - Tuya born - 0 years old
Year 12 Tutankhamen - Aye becomes King - 7 years old
Year 4 Aye - Horemheb becomes King - 11 years old
Year 4 Horemheb - Tuya and Sety marry - 15 years old
Year 8 Horemheb - Ramesses born - 19 years old
Year 15 Horemheb - Ramesses I becomes King - 26 years old
Year 2 Ramesses I - Sety I becomes King, Tuya becomes Queen - 28 years old
Year 12 Sety I - Sety I dies, Tuya is a widow and becomes King's Mother - 40 years old
Year 5 Ramesses II - Battle of Kadesh - 45 years old
Year 22 Ramesses II - Tuya dies - 62 years old
It's clear that a lot of assumptions go into this outline of Tuya's life. By explicitely stating some of the assumptions readers can adjust the model accordingly if they wish to use other assumptions.
The Life of Queen Tuya
Tuy(a) was the daughter of the military commander Raia and his wife Ruia. We do not know exactly when Tuya was born. It is possible she was born during the reign of Tutankhamen.
It is interesting that Tuya's daughter Tia was buried in Saqqara with her husband of the same name. There is a military commander named Raia who was buried at Saqqara as well. This Raia was a stable master, bow carrier of his Majesty, Overseer of the horse, Fanbearer on the right side of the King, and later Overseer of the King's private apartments in Memphis. This man is though to have lived at least into the reign of Sety I. There is no way to know if this individual is identical to the father of Tuya. Sadly the name of the wife of Raia is not known from his tomb in Saqqara. Hence all we can do at this point is ask if this courtier named Raia could be the father of Tuya.
Tuya likely married Sety, son of Ramesses and Sitre, during the reign of Horemheb. Tuya and Sety eventually had at least two children: Ramesses and Tia. It is usually believed that her son Ramesses was born during the reign of Horemheb. Princess Tia may have been even older than her brother.
It seems plausible that Sety and Tuya were married and having children as early as year 5 of Horemheb. This means that they had a well established family by the time Horemheb died in ca the 15th year of his reign. At that point Sety and Tuy may have been about 25 - 30 years of age.
After the death of Horemheb the throne would pass to Sety's father Paramessu, who took the throne as Menpehtire Ramesses, better known as Ramesses I today. Ramesses may have already been somewhat older and he died about 2 years after taking the throne.
At this point Sety may have been in his early thirties and Tuya in her late twenties. It is thought that their son Ramesses was a boy (maybe 7 or 8?) and Princess Tia was slightly older. Sety went on a Syrian campaign in her very first year as King, and we assume Tuya stayed at home, likely in Thebes, but possibly in Memphis.
Sety reigned for ca 12 years and during that time there would be a handful of military campaigns. Ramesses mentions that at some point during the reign of his father Sety I, he was given wives. It seems that Sety and Tuya arranged for Ramesses to marry Nefertari and Isetnofret. We do not know if there were more wives at this early stage. Quickly Ramesses would be presenting Sety and Tuya with their first grand children.
It is interesting that Tuya is not all that prominent during this time period. There are no known depictions, or statues mentioning her name from this time period. The only possible statue from this time perod would be the statue from Abydos mentioned below. On this statue the title King's Mother is not present for as far as we know. In the temple at Abydos from the reign of Sety I, the Queen depicted is the King's Mother Sitre.
Sety did not have a very long reign however and died in his 12th year as Pharaoh. At that point Ramesses takes the throne as Ramesses II and Tuya is now King's Mother.
During the reign of her son Ramesses II, Tuya (also called Mut-Tuya) is now depicted on statuary from Pi-Ramesse, the Ramesseum in Thebes, on the facade of the temple in Abu Simbel.
In the Ramesseum a seperate chapel is dedicated to Mut-Tuya. There is a scene depicting the divine conception and birth of Ramesses. See below for more detail on these scenes.
Tuya would have seen her son go to war in year 5 against the Hittites at Kadesh, and again against the north in year 10. If the inscriptions on the temple walls are correct then the sons of Ramesses also went on campaign. This would have meant that at least part of the royal household had to be packed up to go on this trip to the battle field. it is not known if the Queens stayed home or would have been part of the royal retinue. It is possible that Queen Mother Tuya stayed in Thebes or Memphis with the principal Queens Nefertari and Isetnofret.
Queen Tuya lived long enough to see part of the building program of her son take place. She died in ca year 22 of Ramesses' reign. Before her death she would have seen her son take over the reign of Egypt, construct a new city at Pi-Ramesses, go to was with the Hittites, etc. She would also have seen may grand-children being born to her son and his wives. She would ahve seen the eldest children grow up.
Queen Tuya was buried in the Valley of the Queens in what is now called QV 80.
From the Globalegyptian museum (Kunsthistorisches Museum 5091): Relief depicting Ramesses II with his mother. They are both bearing offerings to Osiris who is seated on a throne on the left. Only one arm and both legs of the god have been preserved. Ramesses is wearing the blue crown, a short kilt with bead pendants and a long garment reaching his ankles. In his hands, held up in a gesture of adoration, Ramesses is holding an incense burner and a washing basin. Between him and Osiris is an offering stand with a wash basin and a large lotus flower on it. Tuya is wearing the vulture head-dress and a long flowing garment. In her hands she is holding a hes-vase and a sistrum.
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en aan haar Prachtige beeld in het Vaticaan:
Dat beeld doet me denken aan een beeld van Teye, morgen is een foto opzoeken om te vergelijken.
Het is echt zo jammer dat er over de vrouwen zoveel minder bekend is !!
nn ms.i sA.w -- No one is born wise.
- Thoetmosis XII
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- Lid geworden op: di 29 nov 2005, 12:07
Hier trouwens Tuya met dochter en schoonzoon (zegt Google, maar helemaal zeker weet ik het niet (Seti's cartouche kan ik lezen, maar je kunt het qua hiërogliefen ook overdrijven ))